If he balks at that try for a tune-up kit, blades or air cleaner etc. Many repair shops carry a cheaper belt, although the same size, that is not designed for use on heat-generating engines. 1. Yet again, both the Toro TimeCutter and the Cub Cadet have quite reputable frames and are almost indistinguishable in terms of stamina. While both mowers will cut grass a Zero turn is associated as you know with larger law areas. Both have heavy-duty fabricated decks and Kohler/Kawasaki engines. Great info. These mowers are also quieter, but youll be paying for all these benefits. What are your thoughts about those in comparison to the other. My first choice is the Toro Model 75742. I use 2 tablespoons per gallon of fuel. Hi JD, You will be a lot happier with the cut of the Toro than the Simplicity. It will last many, many years. The Smart speed is a lever that lets you reduce the maximum forward speed so you are not tempted to push the transmissions too hard when towing and it allows you to go slow when trimming so you dont bang into stuff as much. Hi Mark, if you would like to go to a 54-inch deck tractor and have slopes you will need to move up to a garden tractor. Yes, the operators manual says you can go on a slope up to 15 degrees but as you found out even 15 degrees can be dangerous with the tall/narrow ZTRs. But I do know the mother of one of the Cub Cadet higher up personnel that could probably run interference for me on warranty repairs if need be. I would like something in the 48 inch to 52 inch cut range. Unfortunately, the 50 inch is in high demand this year so you may have to go to a dealer to get it. Finally, learn to use your knees to cushion the ride and it is the second-best riding mower on this list. Not sure if there is a limit on the amount or not. If hill is wet I can walk behind to have more control Your review the other day was spot on. The original seat is a good comfortable seat but I want one more conducive to one with back problems. Hi Larry, I like the Ariens XD if your lawn is fairly flat and youre mowing 3 acres or so. And trying to spend around $4-5k tops. Now, The commercial Kawasaki FS and FX are great engines. I wish the Ariens had a suspension seat, but I cant find one. Looks like the stripes would be off with the deck hanging out past the wheels so far. The offset deck sticks out more on the left of the mower making it very easy to trim around stuff. Jeff. I need a ZTR that can perform well on slopes. I weigh 200, and the mowers are 500 and 575 lbs, putting us well under the 900 lb rating of the EZT. If you have a problem holding a gas can the SureCan is a great can. I easily say that this mower is thru and thru a Walker and will probably be the last mower you ever buy. I have 2 acres I mow Is this too much acreage for a mulch kit?i feel like Im shortening the life of the mower by stressing it. The did replace a pulley but the problem is persisting. So, Jonsered, Poulan Pro, and Husqvarna tractors are basically all the same they are just painted different colors. Please stop back later this summer and tell us how you like your new mower! Im obviously wanting good cut quality and longevity out of the machine. Any advice you can give on each for a residential lawn? Since Cub Cadet is the newest and they tried to hit all the consumer pain points which includes noise, Ill have to guess the Cub Cadet is quieter. Thank you very much! I managed to ride it up and down the hillside a couple of times before it died on me. Hi Paul, Both riding mowers help you fit between flower beds, but Kubota has a 48" deck which measures in at 2" larger than its foe. 22.5 HP Time Cutter V-Twin Gas Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Speed Model# 75742 Available at The Home Depot Also available at Tractor Supply, ACME Tools and your local Toro Dealer. Take, for example, the Cub Cadetits powerful engine is one of its most appealing qualities, and without it this mower would be a shell of its current self. Believe it or not, I didnt have to replace the blade belt but about two years ago. I have 2 1/2 acres and my Husky is 9 years old. Heres what I like about the Bradley (link below): ZT3400 drives / 23 rear tires. Come and get it in Northern Wisconsin. There is a low, medium, and high trim speed. Cub Cadet has been making ZTRs for just about as long but they didnt really get into the commercial market until 2015. The APEX is a heavy-duty mower and I strongly feel it can handle most any lawn. Hi Adam, The ZT2800 is considered high-end residential the ZT3100 is considered low-end commercial. 2. Is 3 acres pushing the capabilities of the batteries too far? They just run the snot out of them and once the lease is up buy another new one. We and our partners use cookies to Store and/or access information on a device. Youll never wear out the ZT 3400s on your lawn. Do you think ZTRs would handle this? Setting: That said. Im looking at the Ariels and Cub Cadet zero turn mowers. Awesome site and comments. The Cub Cadet has slightly larger tires so it will ride a little better and have a little more traction than the Deere. I do like the 42 in you sent above. I wanted to have beefier Transaxles. Thanks for your advice to buy the Ultima ZT2 50. I assume the zero turn would have a lower center of gravity, but less weight on the front wheels. So I scrapped it, and hired someone to do the mowing. I have some bare dirt sections where a lot of dust flies so I think the beefier air filter (and engine) on the Vanguard will be worth it. By the way, the Kawasaki in the MZ is a residential grade engine. Heres how the bodies of both mowers differ: The Toro TimeCutter ZS 4200S features a sturdy 10-gauge unibody steel frame, and the enginewhich is protected by a rear engine guardis situated directly behind the drivers seat. Yard is level. Based on your article, I am considering the Toro MX5075 MyRide and the Arins IKON XL 52. Hi Blake, My first choice is the 42 inch Toro Timecutter. DEWALT. Types of Lawn Mowers & Tractors. never go flat front tires !!! A homeowner doesnt need a commercial-grade zero-turn mower, as these are intended for very large areas. Planted a bunch of young 5-8 trees around the property. Looking for a workhorse that will last, not difficult to maintain, power through high grass, good cut and smooth ride. Thanks again for your help! This is how I make money to keep this website up and running. Our budget is 3k and under at Lowes our yard has 20 pines that line both sides that we have to cut in between and some minor slopes. Cub Cadets commercial stuff is awesome but its going to take a while yet before it catches on with the commercial guys. I like having my weekends free for fun time. If you try to pull too much the transmissions can overheat and if you do it often enough they will fail. Charlie Victor. In your case I suggest the Gravely. (You can raise the deck vertically once its on the trailer so it doesnt take up as much room.). Freshly cut lawns are not only visually appealing, as they feel and smell great too. And to know which is bettera Toro or a Cub Cadetread through this guide! I read several of the links about trying to decide which one to get and after your expertise I recently purchased a TORO Time Cutter 75760 60. Im already beginning to spend some coin having local vendors mow (3x now). They are nice because once they are installed you dont need to mess with them for weeks at a time. But, the price of Toros zero turn mower is much higher than Cub Cadets. Both companies are renowned for producing reliable machines that withstand the test of time. Home Depot doesnt seem to carry the Apex models anymore, nor does Lowes, and none of my local dealers have any Apex models in stock. Lets see if we can sort them all out. If I recall correctly, Bradley actually had a stand-on before Bob Cat. And remember dry ground this time of year can be just as slippery as wet ground. Ive been a regular reader of your sites for several years, and have found a lot of valuable information in them over the years. My personal first choice is always a stand-on but I dont recommend stand-on mowers smaller than 40 inches. Be aware ZTRs even the ones in this price range are lawn mowers. I want the look of a nicely manicured lawn. Looked at: Ariens, Walker, Ferris, Skag, Toro, ExMark, JD, Husqvarna, Hustler, Gravely, Troy-Bilt, Cub Cadet, Bad Boy, and Snapper maybe a couple others losing count. Homeowners like their Spartan mowers a lot. Many thanks to you and for your website! 1. Fab 22.5 HP V-Twin Gas Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Speed, Toro TimeCutter HD 48 in. The Ferris bars seemed OK, but I remember trying a ZTR in a dealer parking lot about 20 years ago, and I couldnt keep it in straight line after 15 minutes of practice. I appreciate your suggestion, and I am going to check out the Gravely ZTRs this week, at my local dealer. However, I like the 60 inch deck for the price and also the fabricated deck. The tire size somewhat justifies the extra $40 you pay for the Cub Cadet mower. Do you have any reason that you would value one over the other? And to make your mowing experience even better, consider the tips in this post. IronForged Deck 24.5 HP Commercial V-Twin Gas Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Riding Mower, Toro 60 in. The Bobcat ZT2000 tends to be a little heavier duty than other brands. The Cub Cadet 42 and 46-inch ZTRs have a stamped deck that does not cut as well as the Toros fab deck. Check it out here: https://homedepot.sjv.io/4V5DL The Walker will always give you the best cut because of the ground-hugging deck. HD is about 200 cheaper right now. Cost $5500 plus. A zero-turn is the same way, Too much weight on the rear hitch will cause the front end to be light and even lift off the ground going up a hill. 50 inches. The Cub Cadet is more expensive than the Toro, so this additional power comes at a cost. Hi Larry, I have not seen that anyone has possession of one of the new Ryobi ZTRs yet. The wire comes out the middle of the underside of the seat. I would greatly appreciate your advice regarding the best mower for my needs. Thanks, Mark. I dont recommend lawn tractors for slopes over 15 degrees. Toro timecutter HD or Also I heard ztr tear up your grass, is this user error or do I need a feature to prevent this? Any other concerns about this model? That stuff is not covered by Costcos guarantee. The John Deere Z345R gives you one of the best cuts on the market but the mower is lightweight and has small front caters which makes it much rougher to ride on than the other brands. Hustler fixed all the issues with the Raptor series with the new XD. The John Deere mulches, bags and side discharges the best of all the 42-inch ZTRs on the market. I say all that to ask your thoughts on the Toro MyRide and whether its worth the money? So the real difference and apples to apples price comparison is the ZT X to the ZT XL. I understand your frustration with power sports engines. For example, I like my local Toro Dealer a lot. With 10 acres and horse pasture, go with the Apex. The Toro also makes use of precision steering. Run the proper tire inflation or 2 lbs less in the rear and it will ride well. Hi Paul, really enjoyed reading the article and comments I feel so much more informed now. It cuts very well and its biggest feature for you is you can get an optional powered bagger. Plus I just really like it over anything else under $3000. I suggest using the Cub Cadet blades until Oregon comes out with a set for the Ultima decks. Toro researched and went with Loncin primarily because five years ago the quality control and warranty repairs for some of the other engine brands you recognize was becoming problematic. If its not cutting well the most likely cause is the deck is not level. Hi Randy, All have the EZT2200 axles. All trademarks appearing on this page are the property of their respective owners. I read everything you wrote about ZTRs, heck I even created a spreadsheet that shows, brand, model, engine, HP, transmission, deck type, deck size, and price. If you go any less than this price range and they ZTR will only last you a couple of years. But the biggest problem is to find one that works. As I look at prices for what I can get for a 50 with Toro and Ariens it looks like I can get either at around $3100 which is $400 more than what 42 V-Twin costs. It has the heavier duty trannys and really rides nice! Given what I pay to have the lawn mowed, I think I could justify spending $3-4,000 on a mower and do it myself. Though this might seem minor, have you ever tried mowing a very wet lawn? Since your lawn will be rough you want the strength of the HD line. The FasTrac is more in line with the mowers we are discussing here though. There is no performance difference. Remember the 2018 will have the full warranty the used 2016 will not have the same warranty, if any. Was looking at Toro with myRide setup.. Hi Dave, the only choice is the MyRide. Id also like the ability to pull a dethatcher. Well scratch my last replythe more I talk to my neighbors with riding mowers the more I hear that they wished they wouldve gone with a bigger deck even for our small 1/3 to 1/2 acre yardsIll hear that around 50 is what people think is enough/wish they wouldve gotten. You have to move up to an Edge to get that option. (I did cut the lawn once with a 21 walk behind mower took me 2 hours and 45 minutes, and walking the hillside sideways with that mower was really hard on my knees and hips. Almost everyone else including Honda, Deere, Cub Cadet, Toro, etc, is getting into robotic mowers. In addition, some companies want their own exclusive brand so they dont have to price match another retailer. I know I am giving up the warranty but I am still tempted to buy it. The Model R is very easy to work on. The ONLY difference between the ZT2100 and ZT2200 is the 2100 has 3/4 inch axles (900 lb capacity) and the 2200 has 1-inch axles (1000) capacity. lol I was originally thinking the Toro 75742 or cubcadet ULTIMA ZT1-42 solely based on customer reviews and price but now Im wondering if I should spend the extra to get the Toro 75755 due to the MyRide. Please help! Hello Paul. Also deciding between the deck size 54 ( 52 Exmark ) and both have a 60. They both cut well and will last you a long time. free pickup and delivery or a discount on the turn-up) The $2k difference from high to low seems like a lot but the dealer was pushing the $5100 one. Im not sure on that. It gives you a much better experience if you ever have an issue with your mowers engine. Remember What I think is the best may not be the best for you so please take the time and read the entire article before you buy your mower. powerful 35hp v-twin kawasaki engine !!! One significant difference between the two mowers is that the Cub employs an open-frame and hinged floor pan. They finally realized that their real mission was to make the best mowers for fewer people instead of making mowers for the masses. John deere Z540M with the Kawasaki engine 48 Its Ariens Decision not Home Depots. Thanks for all you do ! Dont really care for the gravely dealer. The Kohler Confidant is a commercial engine. Some commercial operators keep their mowers maintained and run them thousands of hours, junk them and then buy new. If you dont want to go through the Home Depot your local Gravely dealer sells the same mower under the Gravely brand. Finally needed work done on the trannys. The Toro also cuts exceptionally well but it wont stripe without a stripe kit. So, every young kid who was getting into the lawn mowing business bought the Kaw because they were cheaper. Hi T. Dan, Feel free to stop by anytime and tell us how the Jonsered is working out. For $300 more you can get the 75746. When we need parts and service, I imagine we may end up going to Tractor Supply well see. For the Toro, the following are popular accessories: For the Cub, these accessories are often bought: To know more about the accessories that are commonly purchased for mowers, read this post. I will check out the Z355R. Having a really hard time deciding between the two if I make the jump from a 42 to the 50/52. The 52 Vanguard is $4800 at SLE, but it only gives you 4 more deck.. Which One Is This? Equipment. Hi Charles, No, They did not have any problems with the steering and transmissions. The gray AUTOMOWER 435X AWD Model 967 85 33-66 is the homeowner version. Looking at either a cub cadet or a another Toro.we have a farm yard ,about 2 acres . But the real market is Europe so not everyone is selling here yet. Also some of the areas gets fairly dusty if we go a couple of weeks without rain. 2. HI Greg, I use the specs page at toro.com. What would you recommend? 4. Thanks in advance for your response! Thank you. What is your experience with robotic mowers? The Apex with the commercial style 5.5 deep deck and ZT3100 drives will last longer, cut better and mow FASTER, especially in demanding conditions like tall or wet grass.it will also be more comfortable over your mixed 10 acres, it has 22 rear tires, and weighs 853 lbs.,compared to the ZT2 at 640 lbs. Zero-Turn Stand On. My first choice for slopes is the Ariens IKON XD 52. Heavy-Duty Fabricated Decks Built with many commercial components so the mower will take a beating Good for acreages, estates, farm lawns, farm ditches, and mowing pastures monthly. It could be sent here to pick up, but this location isnt open on Saturdays at all which means Id have to take time off from a new job to pick it up. I would like to get your thoughts about riding mower options for my property. Could you narrow it down to 2 Check Out The Cut & Clean TV MERCH!https://teespring.com/stores/cutandcleantvBest Residential Zero Turn Mower | Ariens IKON X vs Cub Cadet ULTIMA ZT1 LawnTha. I just had a ..make my day Clint Eastwood moment but in a good way (smile). It is a pretty smooth lawn, with about 8 trees and a lot of bed lines to cut along in the front half of the lawn. I think thats unfair. 4.8. I think I would spend the extra money for the new 2018, but I would welcome your advice. I didnt leave the Cub Cadet/Toro dealer feeling very confident as they didnt seem overly confident in their product and also having difficulty getting parts/units in because of the pandemic. Trimming with the Model R is unbeatable. Hi Shane, mulching blades by themselves dont do much. If you are used to a mid-mount ZTR and then use the Walker for an hour youll never go back to the mid-mount. The driveshaft is more durable than the Grasshoppers. Hes been a mechanic for over twenty-five years and shares his know-how and hands-on experience in our DIY repair guides. The second choice is the Scag Tiger II. I have compiled the best of both worlds, pointing out their highs and lows to assist you in weighing your options. Home Depot sometimes runs a 10% off special if the HD Credit card is used. The Vanguard is B&S true commercial engine. I never had this issue with a prior John Deere. Is the 3-blades on the Ariens an advantage for mulching? The ZT 3400 with charge pumps has no o-ring issues. Im also showing that Lowes is not going to carry most models in stock. I live in the upstate of SC, have a mixture of cool season and warm season grasses, and I try to control the crabgrass, dandelions, and other weeds. Would it be worth the extra money to go with the scag?Ive got a dealer 10 minutes from the house as opposed to a hour and a half for toro dealer. what do you think ? Ive been tasked with researching the options. Hi Dan, Yes, the ZT1 has the same hydros as the Jonsered. I really wanted to see the deck engaged before making my choice between the two. Hi..I am looking for the best battery (about 1.5 acres) riding mower with a steering wheel, that will bag, about 38 in, power steering, dont have to change the blade when I am mulching or cutting (bagging).Thank you. I really appreciate your website, your keen insights, and all your help. I intend to keep my air filter well serviced. The used one would be $900 cheaper, but it actually looks a little rough to me, including seat tears. Can ride or flip up foot stand and convert to walk-behind (NICE) Hi Kathy, You will be very happy with the Patriot. I suggest stopping in to a local dealer and see what they have in the $6000-$9000 range. There are 15-20 trees/plants and 3 buildings (home, garage, shed) to mow around. Yes, the commercial operators insist on having them but they quickly realize their only advantage is getting into small residential properties. Loncin is one of the worlds largest engine manufactures and their quality is legendary. It uses the same commercial deck they use on all the other models. Very comfortable to mow with The cut is even no lines. Id like to stay cost conscious but I am willing to pay more for an exquisite end result. Thanks again in advance! Because it has a Smart Speed control that lets you pull carts without damaging your transmissions. I dont necessarily want to mow the whole thing, but at least half of it. Im not sure if he does anything different with the Scag. The Kubota is overpriced for what you get. One last question, my dealer also carries the ExMark line, in addition to the Toro and Ariens I mentioned above. Toro: The Toro utilizes a patented Toro 452cc gasoline engine and a duel hydrostatic transmission. It is easy to understand and I can see youve done your homework. Ariens has really upped their game this year and the Ariens upgraded IKON XD is one of the best mowers out right now. Or even a free tune-up this fall. 1. Im not sure if Havener/Bradley would be buying decks and frames from Schiller/Bob Cat but Ill check next time I talk to them. Just so you know. He can get parts for the Jonsered and many of the parts he has on the shelf for the Husqvarna tractors and ZTRs will fit. What would you suggest? The Gravely ZT XL model seems to be a good sweet spot with the 2800 transaxles and well-built machine. Which one do you think would be more durable? Scrape the underside of the deck clean with a plastic scraper or stiff milker brush when you sharpen the blades. John Deere Z345M 42 in. Hi Jake, I like the Ariens better. In the 42 range, Toro is a clear winner. In particular, I noticed the engine on the Deere was much louder than my lawn tractor. My main concerns are maintenance, longevity, baggers/mulching. Hi Jerry this suspension goes between your existing seat and the mounting plate. The engines generate about 22 to 24 horsepower also depending on the grade of the model. I reached out to you before on some suggestions. John Deere, Toro, or Cub Cadet. On the other side, the Cub Cadet has a fairly tougher deck which would serve you better if you have obstacle-filled lawns. Im wondering if you think its best to 1. I suggest getting the Cyclone with the dual-wheel casters and the electric start engine.
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