She has no idea that her parents are about to arrive in Panama. That is why the poor often resort to vigilantism. But then Im immediately confronted with conflicting evidence to suggest otherwise. Even the bones, the few that remain. Nothing more sinister than that. Could be leaves, I suppose, but to me it looks like someone is looking at the them from the vegetation. "For now, however, this finally marks the beginning of our grieving process and provides us with a path to closure.". Do u know if this particular spot was apart of the trail they went on? The jungle was searched for another ten days with the help of the cops from the Netherlands - but there was no sign of the girls. Clearly the trash on the rocks indicates it had active people. In 2020 the number of international visitors to Australia dropped to 6.7 million due . It could help shed more light onto the possible answer to the mystery. He walked the trail with Ks parents, a sweet friendly lovely dog companion with big wise blue eyes, he is prominent in the video made by Ks parents as they walked the trail. Kris was not happy with the situation and was just going along and not looking too cheerful in the pictures. What do you think?? 2. That looks kinda like a monster, Very interesting and thorough analysis. Exhausted and waited somewhere near water for days. 679215 Registered office: 1 London Bridge Street, London, SE1 9GF. She ties the red bags to branches so they can spot her if they get near. Hay incongruencias en fechas y horas de los testigos y de los registros de los telfonos y la cmara, pero lo que ms me ha inquietado es la foto 506. The indigenous people know how to use phones watch the Kinga documentary. Theres a blood splatter on her leg from her tendon being cut, to keep her from running away. I also think that we are looking at man-made roof structure, but its not the last photo, right? Have you performed this same work on any of the other case photos? Froon had a Canon Powershot SX270 HS which contained numerous photos, many of which were of the period of time leading up to the day of the girls disappearance. They didnt take anything with them for more than 1 or 2 hours max journey. Political corruption runs rampant, depending on the community, which has a cascading effect on law enforcement and local crime. September 1, 2022. I do believe that this appears to be some sort of structure though, it does seem like some vines / branches have been woven together to form some sort of hut and even the AI enhancement would not make the blue appear on the floor so distinctly, the color and look almost reminds me of a scrap of denim like material? This photo of Kris Kremers is identified as Photo 505. The circular part looks like vines to me, but the portion in the middle has potential to be a cow skull. Yes, you are right that a great deal of caution is necessary. Debra Ann Velleman, 70, of Waukesha, Wisconsin, and Sue Borries, 57, of Teutopolis, Illinois, both retired public school teachers, were part of a community of snowbirds and expats living in the area of Chame, Panama. It isnt a cave, somebody has shown in a youtube video that it us just a very deep path on the wrong side of the mountain with a sharp turn. Their bodies were located after more than 690 hours of searching. One or more abductor did know the phone PIN but not all people involved knew. This girl was tortured before they killed her. I think investigation isnt the correct word. My sole concern is for the young women who lost their lives for absolutely no reason. Hello Chris, did you ever get any background on the statements made by Joseph? Where did he leave them? This lady, Pitti, she is under much suspicion as she practically botched the investigation efforts with her repeated lack of discipline in collecting and documenting and directing the case. How Many Kids Does Linkin Park Have? They decided to take that short hike, but they failed to tell anyone where they were going and what time to expect them back. After days reviewing the evidence, Im now going to share a synopsis of what I believe happened there in the deep, dark cloud forest of Panama. She looks as if her hands are above her head in a way someone would have them if a police officer were to tell them to put their hands above their head. They are free now. We have no police report to read which its self may also contain errors. None of the calls ever got through due to a lack of a signal. . They are 99.999999% preventable. The people in Panama may be afraid to speak, but in Europe, the USA and other Central American countries there are pods of people still working on the case. But I see him in none of L&Ks photos. because why else would they have continued access to their phones for the next week? Shame! Blue, a dog known throughout the community, reportedly followed them along the trail. However, upon closer inspection, shes really ducking her head as to say look at the things over my head. Like she was scouting and turned back to talk to Lisanne, shielding her eyes from the sun to see her. The rock isnt about the twig its got chunks of flesh and blood splatter all over it to the right and back of rock. Would the girls really be so far apart in dense jungle? If you find any additional information, please let me know. However, Dutch authors Marja West and Jrgen Snoeren claim they have solved the mystery in their bookLost in The Jungle. From my own gutt feeling I see only a very preventable accident. You can even see the shadow of her han on her face. Only a fool thinks they were attacked by people. She makes a last effort to wake her friend. Despite these . The girls went for a swim in a rock pool. For the next three days she keeps moving, weakened by exposure to the elements and at the edge of starvation. Definitely foul play, in my opinion. That is not a cave or a ravine behind her. again, this has been superimposed on the scene and again her feet are obscured because she is not wearing boots. In either case, maybe the rucksack was looted then later planted to avoid criminal implication. The removed comment provided nothing helpful in any respect, and was merely to get attention and reactions. Do you think this could be at all relevant? The dog wasnt in any photos, nor were the girls photographed after their disappearance. As the effort wore on, they enlisted the help of the Wisconsin-based volunteer search and recovery organization Bruce's Legacy and set up a GoFundMe to help defray the costs of bringing the nonprofit to Panama. why couldnt they just destroy the phone all together, break it beyond repair and leave it in the backpack. However, regarding Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, Id need to know more about their personality to make this determination. Froons bones appeared as if they had decomposed naturally, but Kremerss bones were mysteriously stark white as if they had been bleached, raising questions about whether someone had been involved in their deaths. Has anyone thought to look further into the hosts dog (Blue)? But after they waved goodbye to the local family for a mid-morning walk on April 1, 2014, they were never seen alive again. Notice how Juan has actively injected false information into the public investigation, including a picture of 4 people standing in a pond with heavily photo edited faces (one of them has their head moved off of the neck in a very obvious edit). I find it really creepy, but maybe Im looking at it wrong due to shadows and light. Can it explain Lisannes foot that was broken? P.S. Also theres a distinct small x made of branches or plastic in the top-mid right corner of the pic amongst the foliage that looks a part of the make shift roof/net. It could be that the taxi driver couldve called someone and given them a heads up that two beautiful young ladies had just headed up the Pianista alone. Kremers'slocked phone showed someone entered awrong PINseveral times. December 12, 2022. I believe that the case was handled so poorly that it leads one to believe that it was intentionally handled as such. That is EXACTLY what it looks like to me! Do they deal in weapons, drugs, porn? The timeline could have been enhanced with this info. However, calling emergency services doesnt require unlocking the phone, meaning a third party had to be involved. I dont see any confirmation from law enforcement either as to whether or not the white bones were tested for bleaching. I like the wit and sarcasm. Wow. But what if that is what led them off track ? Does anyone know if the dog they brought with them is in any photos from the hike? The simplest is for them to disappear. And one of the images chillingly showed the back of Kris' head with what some sleuthes believe is blood leaking from her temple. And they wont leave until they know all hope is lost. Where did u see that picture ? Also I see a black pipe if you look carefully near one of the red and black objects the one that was circled. Many hikers from all over the world disappear, fall,or suffer other fatalaccidents while traveling-this could've happened to these women as well. There is discussion in reference to a possible cave, but is there any evidence that the girls found a cave besides perhaps Kriss hair appearing unusually dry in the night photos? Or whoever deleted the photos may have overlooked to delete this one as they could have done it in a hurry as well. i found it hard to understand and pickup any of the highlighted objects.i grew up in a tropical country and spent a lot of my childhood exploring woods and secondary jungles around my home with my friendsthe way i see it is that the girl have encountered a thick unpenetrable undergrowth at the end of some sort of a gorge.maybe in an effort to find a way through or out of it.when youre at ground level in a jungle its just a green world and colour hues jumbled up in some sort of a mess.and after a while you started noticing odds shapes n colours through the leavesoccassinally there will be thrash thrown around.just my thoughts. They knew to be on guard and be careful. Ive travelled through Central and South America quite a bit and these experiences cant be found elsewhere. Regarding the photos, I have no idea why they would be taking these, deleted some later and left this one, especially since the ribbed roofing structure is somewhat obvious. Kris had her doubts but was jollied along by the more trusting girl. However, amiscommunication led to them arriving in Boquete too early for their program, which Kremersnoted was "rude and not at all friendly" in a diary entry. Also I have read that during the time they tried to contact emergency services one phone connected albeit briefly. If you take small part of a bigger image and blow it up to match the size/aspect ratio of other photos on the card, it will still keep the same number of pixels per square inch, but they will become much bigger. Im very impressed. Did they lose it right at the start of the hike, but didnt bother to go and look for it? It was taken on the Continental Divide on April 1st, 2014 with the recorded time: 13:20:32. In May, a 61-year-old American man went missing and was presumed to have gone overboard while on a cruise through the South Pacific, according to a report from the Australian Associated Press. Apparently it would also have been easy to alter the time stamps on the photos. Why? So this sparked my curiosity. The last set of pics is especially chilling to me, my first thought was Lisanne may have been bound & hurt & somehow able to gain access to the camera & made a last attempt to signal for help or document everything around her as best she could & thats why all the angles are so awkward & unfocused. We are dealing with history here. They know that youre supposed to find a river, so they set out in search. One was left above. The finding of the backpack 14 miles away is too incredulous to be believed. Debra Ann Velleman's husband, Anthony Velleman, another passenger and the pilot were rescued by Panamanian search and rescue teams. After the attempted calls, the phones stayedon for some time. Celebrity. Los expertos en conductas humanas (psiclogos, antroplogos, etc. Two intelligent girls could not be veering off course to this dense vegetation on their own accord. When someone does finally find her, its the last people she would want to be found by. Just pressing the button to turn the screen on provides you with the relative information, ie, whether you have a signal or not. But there are a few holes in this particular theory. Theres some type of red and black object at the top of the photo. No way would I walk down that path. The structure at the back of this small ravine looks like a hideout that a military man might make, as part of survival training in the jungle. https://u.cubeupload.com/beavermatic/KrisKremersFullPhoto.jpg, Her hands are not tied behind her back! We have no final police report only a lot of leaked info much second hand and multiple hand. It happens often and I cant even imagine how horrible it was. I wonder? There is an international consortium working behind the scenes to slowly and methodically continue the investigation. Please read. You can bet your life if someone was with them at that point, then they were the culprits who had something to do with the girls disappearance. The overriding input is human. Do we know who owned the dog named Blue (aka Azul). Hi Chris thanks for the link to the book. It holds a bad energy. The last half either had a wrong password, or simply no password at all was entered. After this, can ANYONE IN THIS WORLD still doubt that this girl WOULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN OR PHONED HER MOTHER FOR TWO WEEKS when she also called the police 100 times? I do see the supports and I think thats manmade also. Its our fingerprints, the police say. The families continued to plead with the U.S. government to send equipment and personnel to aid in the search and recovery effort. Kremers and Froon set out into the forest along thePianista Trail around 11 amon April 1, 2014,with only a backpack between them. Patients often tell our staff about finding the corpses of people who have suffered fatal falls or drowned in swollen rivers. I do not think this case fits the criteria of missing 411. Does anyone know what the orange string is on the left of the photo? In all of the photos, there is zero evidence to suggest that the dog was truly with the girls on their hike into the forest. Rights of initiation? I think in the original photo she is putting on her backpack, stretching her arm and back, and the backpack has been airbrushed out because of course she didnt take that with her. Two days pass. Maybe a struggle or fall? This tells me that they had a time in their minds of what time to leave to get back to their host home in Boquette. This level of negligence and irresponsibility would be considered criminal in a developed country. Hi Chris, i heard of this case a few months ago and i read many articles about it. Shes ducking down slightly and trying to shield her eyes from the sun with her right arm. Even if that had happened, the skeleton would have been more intact and scratch marks would have been found on the bones. If anything, they work harder to try and bring anyone to justice that harms a tourist. On the original, her face doesnt look like that at all. I feel that unless they do or unless further forensic work has shown something more then, no matter what the experts in survival say, it is still only speculation and not proof. Im sure removal of the comment was justified, but in considering all possibilities Im curious if there was there any insight offered? There is no traces of them anywhere. March 3, 2023, 7:57 AM. He believes he is working for God. Kris is hunched over beside a sacrificial alter with hands tied behind her. Right hand is on her hip/slightly behind back, the left is hanging down on her side or in her pocket I cant tell. I suspect the timestamps on some images are incorrect. If you dont know the story, I recommend you visit the link at the bottom of this page. They no longer had their phones or camera and made no emergency calls at all. Trust me, I prefer to take the easiest explanation too. So without doubt, someone tampered with the photos to some degree. We simply dont have enough information at this time. I think Juan is actively trying to protect this human trafficking agency. After any incident the first 24 hours are critical and it seems all that time was lost. Who did the manipulation of course is a mystery but it points to being a corroboration of the police narrative that they got lost. There is no database of how many people go missing in national parks every year but the National Parks Service has at least 29 cold cases of people who have gone missing and have yet to be found, with the oldest case dating back to 1958.. All comments are held for moderation prior to being published. Just trying to get as many ideas together as possible, so that some clue may surface one day. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). I think the left arm is visible behind her hanging down. Bu that he meant an outcome which had no human input to the consequences. Ella divide en dos la historia: las fotos anteriores a la 506 son de alegra, la foto 506 es de pnico y la 507 y 508 de preocupacin. The girls were no longer alive after April 2nd latest. Its thought that Kremers and Froon were exploring nature without anyone else around. https://photos.app.goo.gl/sLXepriuWAxz8t1R9. Hi Marie, Theres no evidence that points to the dog being with them. Most dog owners here do not use a leash when walking their dogs. Most gangs in Panama are not big gangs with hundreds of members, like you would find in Mexico and El Salvador. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22, went for a walk through the scenic forests around the Baru volcano in Boquete - and never returned. I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PIT PICTURE FOR YEARS, YOU CLEARLY SEE A GATELIKE STRUCTURE OVER THE PIT. There is much speculation about the night time fotos made using the Cannon. Give me a link. That is the key. Thank you for your consideration. The date read April 1, the day of their fateful hike. Occums razor. For forensic work, any such upsampling is worthless. The hanging object and other points of interest you highlighted reminded me of this. There is no question thats what it is. Here is what I see: Thats the very first thing that crossed my mind. If its part of the trail where people walk all the time I dont think something is up with this place. Also, no organ stealing, no cartels, no people traffickers, nothing to do with tribes, cults, sects, etc. One could argue that the inherent risk of traveling to under-developed countries is exciting for the reason that theres potential danger and less authoritative control. If you look at her shirt, it appears to be red and white striped. However, her surroundings were my intended focus regarding this photo theres a lot of things in this photo that havent been discussed elsewhere and could provide clues as to what happened to them. So sad what happened to them today is the first Ive heard of the story and its wildly upsetting. What people are mistaking as swelling of the right eye/cheek is simply the sunlight highlighting the contours of the right side of her face while the left side is in shadow, probably combined with squinting of the right eye due to the bright light. This either meant Lisanne Froon was conscious while Kris was not, and tried to call emergency services, or that a third party tried to get into her phone but didnt succeed. Despite search teams, which included dogs and. They provide a live accounting of missing-persons cases. To the creator of this photo analysis Thank You, excellent work. In which photos? We have no way of knowing if somebody tried to unlock the phone but failed. I read extensively about this case and when I saw the above pic, I got the most eerie feeling. The point-and-shoot camera numbers its files in ascending order, the way most digital cameras do. Also mobile signals are better at night yet no calls were attempted. Could be that the path turns sharp right or left (out of the frame) or continues up ahead after a short scramble. I do get very creepy and bad vibes from this photo though. to Kris left is a huge dark area that has been poorly obscured with pixellation. Theres not a lot of information about the gangs in the Boquete area. I lean towards the third-party theory although I recognize the conflicting aspects of that theory. A woman from the localNgbetribeturned in a blue backpack she claimed she found along the bankof a nearby river. No dog. Ive written about dozens of stories involving incompetence of law enforcement in disappearance cases. Like a trap net or something. I think Kris was about to have a quick look in a man-made structure she had stumbled across just to explore. Looks like some of sort of indigenous artifact/trail marker. Where is the Ping for that time? Perhaps this stranger had suggested he could guide them on a more interesting trail, or show them something interesting in the jungle. In the end, maybe this photo has more information that was originally thought. Right now Im simply building a list of names to determine interest: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/14/organizing-a-research-team/. It was probably done by the perpetrators in order to collect the reward money. Like you, I also live abroad in a developing country. Many people in El Salvador permit their dogs to roam freely outside in the streets and forests. Can you provide more information about photos of the girls being in bad shape? I think that this is definitely a murder, because of the rucksack. When she finally reached her friend, it was basically too late, or very close to it. Most disappearance cases dont get such publicity, so you can imagine how much less effort goes into them. Another case that comes to mind is the case of Holger Hagenbusch: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/02/holger-hagenbusch-a-disturbing-murder-and-exposed-coverup-in-mexico/. We can only speculate without more evidence of that. Out of respect for the girls families, I think that comments like this, which I argue turn this case into some sort of entertaining Netflix series, should be removed. If so, they may have wandered across the field looking for the original path back and got themselves well and truly lost. But arent there the subsequent photos of Kris Kremers crossing the stream and so the developments may have occurred after this picture 505? Im not sure if Ive found something new here, but I havent found anyone else discussing these details online. Instead, they think What words can I say to make my local population feel better? After all, locals elect these same authorities. I think they knew too much and someone wanted them to be silenced forever. Its interesting numerous people have contacted me anonymously and informed me that there are already multiple existing research teams that are investigating this case privately. Hi Chris! Theyre also exceptionally rugged and dangerous, especially during the April-to-October wet season. I agree w rope around waste thst wasnt there before, hair is completely down Aldo, shes in distree. Not saying that its impossible, but very VERY difficult to edit photos seamlessly. Emergency. Totally agree. This is significant because image 508 was the last photograph of them where they werent in any trouble. If you would know (and read) every bits & pieces of this story, you would actually see that the they got lost theory does not hold up with any of the facts and evidence found, not at all, not one bit. The first all the black area behind her was blackened and smudged. Hi Kevin, Occums razor only applies when all facts are available. No chance. Why are you not sharing their photo number, why are you stating generalities, let me help you, there is a link with all the photos https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and_11.html There was enough evidence in this investigation to solve the case and possibly find Kris and Lisanne while they were alive. He has a reasonable explanation for why she is having to bend down, and he found video where you can see a turn to the left where kris is.
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