All we do know for sure is that it was either Howe or Whelen, or both, who necked the .30-06 Sprg. For the next year, comparisons were inevitable between Johanssons Hammer of Thor and the .358s powerful 250-grain bullet. Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. The cartridge is closely related to the .308 Norma Magnum. Its a flat shootermimicking the trajectory of a .30-06 with heavier bulletsand is fully capable as an all-around choice. In many areas a 100-pound deer might be normal, but mule deer and whitetail bucks exist that are triple that size. Had the .358 Norma Magnum been chambered in an American rifle, or at least promoted by an American company, the popularity of the cartridge may have been much greater than it is. Essentially the .338 Winchester Magnum necked up to hold .358-inch bullets, the .358 Norma Magnum made all sorts of sense to a hunter in pursuit of large game, such as elk, moose and the great bears of the north. You can start with the 6.5mms. The Whelen is a more sensible choice, but the Rigby isnt about sensibility, its about nostalgia and a connection to a bygone age. from my E.R. That 225-grain bullet has a sectional density (SD) value of 0.251, a bit light for what is normally considered to be appropriate for dangerous game. I did secure properly head stamped Norma cases thinking we'd need them going over into the Yukon (no one ever checked). Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. In 1987 Remington made an honest cartridge out of the .35 Whelen. Of them all the one I still have is the 9,3X62. The .358 has 24 percent more energy at the muzzle than the .300 Win. From there, you can work up until you find a load that gives you the accuracy and velocity you want. I am often criticized for following the Elmer Keith school in suggesting powerful cartridges. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. Being able to take off the scope and work with iron sights, using cast bullets or light jacketed bullets, adds an entirely new dimension to the rifle. The .308 Winchester is a fine elk cartridge, and the grand old .30-06, with a bit more velocity and energy, is better. For example, take the most powerful of the factory standardized .35's, the .358 Norma Magnum. There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. The M700 has been a popular action for building a rifle in .358 STA, a wildcat based on the 8mm Remington Magnum. Hornady has a Superformance load with a 200-grain SP at 2910 f.p.s. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. It was predictable that the .356 Win. Bottles & 12-oz. The H-4895 load given in the table is not from any manual but was worked up with the assistance of Hodgdon ballistician Ron Reiber. .50 BMG. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. As a result of all this activity, .358-inch diameter jacketed rifle bullets are available in a wide range of weights and styles, from 150-grain semipointed to 200- grain roundnose, all the way up to 310 grains for the heaviest game. Have all three, and have not shot any of em My medium is a 9,3x62. Sure, you can get away with it, especially with todays extra-heavy bullets, but I think its foolish. Most were intended for .38-caliber handguns, but any bullet made for either the .38 Special or .357 Magnum can be loaded and shot in the .358 Norma Magnum with varying degrees of success. The .270 WSM and .270 Weatherby deliver more energy, but all three are fine. For the one perfect all-around elk rifle, Im not sure you can beat the good old .30-06. it is complicated further by a requirement for different burning rate powders. Not necessarily top dollar everything. Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. lbs. He never questioned the adequacy of his .270 for elk, nor do I, but he was also a lifelong .30-06 fan and privately conceded its superiority for elk-sized game. However, the optimum game range of the .358 (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2300 fps) is 240 yards. Quite a difference! To reach the .300 mark, youd need a 270-grain bullet (the North Fork and Woodleigh bullets come immediately to mind), but stabilization becomes an issue in the slower twists, and thats long been a problem in .35-caliber barrels. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. The Norma factory load, with Normas own 250-grain bullet, performed poorly, coming apart in the chest cavity. I have a .356 Win. Is the .358 Norma Magnum a cartridge destined to make a huge comeback? As well, most bullet manufacturers produce soft, 200-grain roundnosed bullets intended for the .35 Remington, and these fit a wide range of uses. The fortunate few who own them want to keep them, and these are the core admirers who make it worth Normas while to continue offering brass and loaded ammunition. Here in North America big game starts with deer. and a 250-grain Partition load with a muzzle velocity of 2550 f.p.s. Released in 1959though there were no factory chambered rifles or factory loaded ammunition available for the new cartridgeNorma offered chamber reamers and new component brass for its new brainchild. The first time I ever hunted with a .358 Norma Magnum, it was a custom rifle built on a Mauser Mark X action. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. That being said, with much wider availability, and the higher . Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. If you happen to have a .35 and don't mind the extra recoil, there is no denying that it will flat get the job done. [/quote]. So if you have a .375 (or larger) and a yen to take it elk hunting, be my guest. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. Maybe I'll just get a 375 H+H instead of going the Norma route. Can this be made into a .358 Norma Mag or must I do a .35 Whelen. Right now, I think that the Browning BLR lever-action rifle is the only production gun left on the market in .358 Win. Most rifle elk hunting is not like bowhunting during the bugling season. The better ones create mild gallery or small-game loads that are economical, quiet, virtually without recoil and best of all a lot of fun to shoot. The case capacity of the .350 Rigby is very similar to that of the .358 Norma Magnum, and the performance is likewise similar. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . Of course, not all .35-caliber cartridges approach greatness. Today, it is strictly a custom proposition unless one of the original rifles chambered for it can be found. This standard (.30-06) length magnum cartridge drives a 250 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2799 fps with 4350 ft. lbs. Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. Perhaps thats why it has survived. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. What keeps it alive? Somehow, years ago, I got the notion that it is not prudent to be opening the bolt face of a 700 from standard (270W) to magnum (358N). This is basically a deer and black bear (CXP2 class game) cartridge, although it is reputed to be superior to cartridges in the .30-30 class for game weighing over about 400 pounds. R Rocky I believe in quality optics, but quality and magnification are not synonymous. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. None of this can be said for either the .338 Winchester Magnum or the .375 H&H. Have a .350 Rem Mag, building a .358 Win currently, would prefer to do the .358 Norma if possible but not sure if this action can handle it.Anyone? So we see that even with a one pound lighter rifle, the .358 recoils slightly less than a .300 magnum. The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. If you match the bullet to the game, this is one of the all-time great hunting cartridges. The nearest of any to the .358 Norma was the .35 Newton, which it closely resembles. Thier wouldn't be any action mods required to do the Whelen,just rebarrel and enjoy. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. of muzzle energy. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. Another vote for something different.The 358 STA would be the one. Sadly, my favorite bullet diameter, the .35 caliber, doesnt even rate a blip on the American shooters radar screen. They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. With such a variety of bullets, you would think the skys the limit in terms of different loads, but there are other factors to consider. Since then, I have often recommended medium bores, such as Elmer Keiths favorite .33s, and Ive used the 8mm Remington Magnum a lot. With its spitzer-pointed bullets, the .358 is a good medium- to long-range cartridge with capabilities out to 250 yards on big game. cases. Honestly, Ive taken as many elk with the .30-06 as with any other cartridge, and the farthest at 350 yards was no problem. Make no mistake, the .30-06 is a powerful cartridge, but it doesnt beat you to death and can be built in the seven- to eight-pound range. G. Joined: Sep 2009. Both calibers share the same dimensions of the case head as the .300 H&H Magnum, but have far less body taper, resulting in the same internal capacity in a shorter case. Re: 35 whelen vs 358 norma mag vs 9.3 x 62, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. 1 Item (s) Show per page. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." If we compare the .300 Win. My .375 H&H seemed quite adequate. a good brush buster and good to 300 yards. But the .416 is certainly not the only cartridge to bear the Rigby surname; read the works of Walter Dalrymple Maitland Karamoja Bell, or Col. Jim Corbett and the .275 Rigbybetter known as the 7x57mm Mauserwill get all sorts of praise. It can be the ballistic equivalent of the .30-06 with a 180-grain bullet or, pushed the other way, it can easily match the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum with the same weight bullet. Norma Projektilfabrik answered Winchesters designs with a pair of their own: the .308 Norma Magnum and its slightly older brother, the .358 Norma Magnum. Kali Parmley, Editor-in-chief of Bakccountry Hunter speaks with Bret Maffet of Franchi Firearms to discuss the all new Momentum All Terrain Elite. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. Remington currently lists a Model 7 rifle with a 20-inch barrel; todays version of the 600 in .350 Rem. It is, as you say, a thumper. Mag. Yet, that bore diameter produces some of the best hunting cartridges available. Follow along to see exactly how. plowed fresh ground. Thats a question I just dont understand. I have one, and I like it a lot. The bullet went in behind the near shoulder, struck the far shoulder from the inside, and the blue bull hit the ground with a thud. I have built all 3 several times for various customers and owned both the 358 Norma and the 9.3X62. But in my experience, if you can cover that 300-yard window with confidence youre in good shape. But in 2003 Remington decided to attempt a resurrection. However, the small bore cartridges from .24 to .32 caliber have proven quite reliable on these smaller animals, so I am not going to argue that anyone needs a .35 to hunt CXP2 class game. Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. The .356 Win. The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer. For anyone with an experimental or fanciful turn of mind, the .358 Norma and the many .358-inch diameter bullets are a gold mine. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. Posts: 46,063. 35 Whelen. They can take their time and pick their shots. The cartridge would be championed by Denys Finch Hatton (of Out of Africa fame), John Pondoro Taylor and Pete Pearson, and would be used by Baron Bror von Blixen-Fineke as well. This is because it was discontinued in the mid-1970s, and reintroduced by Remington in 2003. up to 0.358 inches and dubbed it the poor mans magnum.. pushes a 200-grain bullet to just more than 2000 f.p.s. The writings of Robert Ruark certainly helped the reputation of the cartridge and the company, as Ruark put his young PH Harry Selby and the .416 Rigby rifle he carried on a pedestal. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges.
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